Wikileaks: Julian Assange on TED, 90000 classified documents about the war released Options

[tmtek]

This could be very major. Keep you eye on this story:

Assange from Wikileaks on TED:
http://www.ted.com/talks/julian_assange_wh..._wikileaks.html

Ottawa Citizen article on "Friendly Fire"
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/WikiLeak...5446/story.html

Wikileaks Website (90000 classified war documents released):
http://wardiary.wikileaks.org/

Interpreting the data:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/2...explained-video

The Controversial "Friendly Fire" Incident:
http://wardiary.wikileaks.org/afg/event/20...060903n347.html

Interactive IED Attacks Viewer:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/datablog/i...nistan-war-logs

This post has been edited by tmtek: Jul 26 2010, 09:18 PM

[Lou]

Yes indeed. The first question is are the documents authentic or are they fabricated? If they are authentic, is the information of any use to the enemy? Who did it and why? It's rather early in the game to know any of this. Lots of facts to come out before we can draw conclusions. But somehow, I've got a feeling Dubya's gonna be blamed.

Edit to add link for anyone interested in the topic: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/07/26...bid=-l8PKWttE4L

This post has been edited by Lou: Jul 26 2010, 08:56 PM

[Country Mamma]

I wonder if the moralistic boobish leftists are going to be bit*hing about the theft, hijacking, hacking into government files of this leak as they were on climate-gate? I wonder if they are going to wax poetically that they will not bother to look into this because the files were stolen as the climate gate email were?

I highly doubt it.

BTW it is interesting that no one has brought up the jurnolist leak up. Very interesting stuff there too.

[Lou]

CM, someone's bankrolling this WikiLeaks outfit. I wonder who it is.

John Young, a WikiLeaks co-founder who left the whistleblower website in a dispute over credibility, told CNN's Jim Clancy people should be cautious of WikiLeaks document dump.

"They revealed that they were continuing to raise $5 million in the first year, and I had a problem with that scale of money raising," Young said. "So I criticized it ... the only way you could raise that kind of money that fast would be for some corrupt source of money or some government agency. So they booted me off the list."

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/07/26...bid=-l8PKWttE4L

Hmmm.

Do you have a link for the jurnolist story?

[Country Mamma]

I have started a new thread, don't want to hi-jack this one.


It's called: There is no left wing media bias:

[Andy]

One of those documents contains something that 'they' really needed to be public knowledge. It could be fake. The question is... which one?

[Peter]

I wonder if the moralistic boobish leftists are going to be bit*hing about the theft, hijacking, hacking into government files of this leak as they were on climate-gate? I wonder if they are going to wax poetically that they will not bother to look into this because the files were stolen as the climate gate email were?

I highly doubt it.

BTW it is interesting that no one has brought up the jurnolist leak up. Very interesting stuff there too.

CM, do you not care that the nations that are sending our sons and daughters, husbands, wives off to fight may very well be lying to us?

Do you not give a damn that god knows how many civilians are getting killed - and the ones that are not may very well grow up to have an eternal hatred for every country that is in their nation which may very well open up the doors to new terrorists in the future?

Many of the reports that have been leaked go against many of the reports that our gov'ts have been telling us all along. We are stupid if we chose to believe everything a newspaper or politician tells us about these wars, because as some are saying now if we question anything...we are branded as traitors.

Do not any one of you stop to think for a moment that if any of the stuff you have been fed in order to support these wars is nothing but Bull**it?

Why did we bomb Afghan to hell and Iraq to hell for supposed WMD's and their supposed support for Al Qaeda....yet we don't touch Saudi Arabia but instead support them fully, even giving them Billions to support their army (USA is doing so) when it is well known some of the Saudi Royal Family support Al Qaeda???

Like I have said in the past - if we are truly bringing Peace and Democracy to the Middle East why haven't we heard anything about sanctions, threats of war against the Saudi's????

Please CM, don't make this as a Left-right issue, because there are people dying in Aghanistan from BOTH sides of the spectrum.

[Country Mamma]

Peter, How long have you been on this forum and still do not understand that I am not a left/ right person.

I am A libertarian.

I suppose that many would put that in the right hand spectrum, but that is disingenuous.

I assume that most governments are lying to us about just about everything in order to feed their agenda.

I think I already mentioned that I think many of these conflicts are so much Christians and lions to keep the masses busy.

[Peter]

Peter, How long have you been on this forum as still do not understand that I am not a left/ right person.

I am A libertarian.

I suppose that many would put that in the right hand spectrum, but that is disingenuous.

I assume that most governments are lying to us about just about everything in order to feed their agenda.

I think I already mentioned that I think many of these conflicts are so much Christians and lions to keep the masses busy.

CM, I am just sick of all the attacks on the left right now over these leaks. Labelling them as traitors, threat to National Security, etc etc..

Instead of questioning our leaders, politicians, we are hearing more and more talk about supporting a new war against Iran and others who are more then happy to blindly follow this action!!

Like I said, instead of questioning these document leaks, where is the questioning of our leaders for the Western Support of Saudi Arabia when we speak of bringing Freedom and Democracy to the Middle East - especially given the fact that it has been reported several times that many in the Saudi Government/Royal Family are supporting AL Qaeda!!!

Saudi King Slams intelligence leak
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=12733...ionid=351020205

The King of Saudi Arabia has strongly criticized the country's intelligence officials for disclosing a secret document, which shows Riyadh has links with terrorist activities carried out by al-Qaeda in Iraq.

Some 37 members of Saudi's intelligence service, accused of being behind the leakage of the confidential document, were also reported to have been arrested.

This is even more proof that as long as a nation is a friend to the USA and Israel - we will turn a blind eye to their actions no matter how severe.

[Smart Alex]

Peter, How long have you been on this forum and still do not understand that I am not a left/ right person.

I am A libertarian.

I suppose that many would put that in the right hand spectrum, but that is disingenuous.

I assume that most governments are lying to us about just about everything in order to feed their agenda.

I think I already mentioned that I think many of these conflicts are so much Christians and lions to keep the masses busy.

Ok...care to point out a few times the conservatives have lied to us? I have no doubt you have lbertarian tendencies in real life, I do too, but here you come off as a Conservative. I see you post about stuff the provincial libs and democrats do but I don't see you calling out Mr. Harper too often

[Lord Kramer]

So you're an anarchist Country Mama?

[Country Mamma]

So you're an anarchist Country Mama?

No I am not an anarchist Lord Kramer. Not yet anyway.....


I understand that in some areas that some form of minimal government may be an necessary evil.....I just really like to keep evil to a very bare minimum in my life.

[Country Mamma]

Lord Kramer:From the WIki link.

Then there is right-libertarianism, usually called simply "libertarianism," which is rooted in nineteenth century classical liberalism. Right-libertarians believe liberty and property ownership are inviolable natural rights.[5] However right-libertarians are difficult to place in the conventional left/right political spectrum as they also support traditionally left-wing issues, such as broad freedom from search and seizure, freedom of the press, and other civil liberties.[5] Consequently some libertarians reject being described as "left" or "right"[10] or as "anarchists."[citation needed] Among those that may be considered "right libertarian," there is also divergence in that some of these are libertarian moralists and some others are libertarian consequentialists.

[Andy]

I'm somewhat surprised that there's nothing really bad in there, actually. So the powers that be put some spin on the stories as they fed them to us... well, whoop-de-doo what did you think?

The other conspiracy theory is that someone was getting close to a scandalous secret, and this pile of dross was 'accidentally leaked' to make it look like there was no point looking any more.

Back in the real world, I'm sitting here wondering if the 'leak' was worthwhile. I mean, the leaker has put the lives of good people at risk, and potentially destabilised some lethal situations, and for what? The Pakistan/Taliban link is arguably 'juicy' in terms of newsworthiness, but was it juicy enough to be worth it? I bet the person/people concerned got carried away with power and opportunity, and didn't really think through whether leaking that stuff was actually a good thing or not.

[Peter]

I'm somewhat surprised that there's nothing really bad in there, actually. So the powers that be put some spin on the stories as they fed them to us... well, whoop-de-doo what did you think?

The other conspiracy theory is that someone was getting close to a scandalous secret, and this pile of dross was 'accidentally leaked' to make it look like there was no point looking any more.

Back in the real world, I'm sitting here wondering if the 'leak' was worthwhile. I mean, the leaker has put the lives of good people at risk, and potentially destabilised some lethal situations, and for what? The Pakistan/Taliban link is arguably 'juicy' in terms of newsworthiness, but was it juicy enough to be worth it? I bet the person/people concerned got carried away with power and opportunity, and didn't really think through whether leaking that stuff was actually a good thing or not.

We shouldn't ignore the army downplaying the deaths that we are causing among the civlian population. Many times we hear of a bombing in some village that killed this many "Insurgents" yet as reports are saying right now, many times we are killing a vast majority of Civilians in these attacks and NOT insurgents which is why the Afghan Gov't is getting more and more upset with NATO.

More and more we are also hearing of Afghan Police, Military who are turning on NATO troops and killing them as well when they are supposed to be working side by side.

It's so easy for many of you to say oh well, war is war what can you do, war is dirty, etc....because many of you have never lived in a war zone but have only known peace all your lives.

[Peter]

Ex-Official says Afghan and Iraq Wars Increased threats to Britain
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/21/world/europe/21london.html

Answering questions from the panel, she also said that Iraq had presented little threat to Britain before the invasion, and that there had been no reliable evidence linking the government of Saddam Hussein to the terrorist attacks in the United States on Sept. 11, 2001.

Not only was the invasion unnecessary based on what was known about Iraq, Lady Manningham-Buller said, but it diverted attention from the real threat, Al Qaeda.

We were all lied to by the Americans and the British in order to wage war on Iraq and Saddam Hussein, and people are still pushing for war against Iran right now in addition to these wars.

If these commisions being carried out now are shedding light on the lies that we were fed in order to go to war - should it be of surprise to us that we are being fed lies now on what is happening in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Besides, let us not forget the few US war deserters who tried to seek refuge in Canada who said that the USA Army was committing war crimes over there and these soldiers wanted no part in it.

Instead of launching investigations into their allegations and questioning our (NATO) role over there, we just slammed these soldiers for ditching the army and branded them as traitors.