Obama to declare war on Iran? Options

[Andrew]

We have been witness to war being used to bring an faltering economy back to life. Hitler did it in Germany in the 1930, will President Obama take a chapter out of the history book and declare war in the 21st century?

In the case of Iran, there was an article last week in the Christian Science Monitor that made the interesting point that a U.S. embargo on gasoline sales to that nation, an embargo now being pushed forward in the halls of Congress, is nothing less than an act of war. And could lead to war. The whole story can be found by following this link : http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the-mo...That-s-war-talk

The world has entered a post 9-11 age, the idea of preemptive war against a terrorist-prone country supposedly went out of favor after George Bush's 2003 US invasion of Iraq.

As I write, the US Congress is now pushing President Obama toward steps that could easily be interpreted as an act of war against Iran over its nuclear ambition. Both the House of Representatives and the US Senate are moving quickly on a bill to force US sanctions on the sale of gasoline to the Islamic Republic of Iran. In theory, the measure would only punish US and foreign companies that export refined oil products to Iran which, despite being a major exporter of petroleum, lacks sufficient oil refineries to satisfy its internal needs.

But the only way to achieve this goal of applying sanctions is a naval blockade which, by international law, is an act of War. Under the Declaration of Paris, 1856, international law held that a blockade must be (1) formally proclaimed, (2) promptly established, (3) enforced, and (4) effective, in order to be legal.http://www.tcr.org/tcr/essays/CB_Blockade. The President Lincoln blockaded the Confederate ports and had to develop a scenario where he would not have to go to War with Great Britain. From WikiPedia, A blockade is an effort to cut off food, supplies, war material or communications from a particular area by force, either in part or totally. A blockade should not be confused with an embargo or sanctions, which are legal barriers to trade" Now what role would China or Russia have to play?

The only questions that remain are: Who scare you more?

[Leaf/TFC fan]

Isn't the economy getting better?

And with that nice pile of cash that happens to be the US's debt, Obama would be commiting suicide by invading Iran. I wonder if he has any military left that's willing to go in there?

It won't happen anytime soon imo.

[Peter]

Iran has always stated that it's Nuclear efforts were for peaceful, energy purposes.
This Article will show that even Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei even issued a fatwa condemning the use of Nuclear Weapons as Forbidden under Islam....something that doesn't get much mention in the news we listen to.

The USA and other have already begun a war against the Iranians...through the use of groups like Jundallah - whose leader Abdul Malek Rigi was captured a few months ago, and admitted to working with foreign powers in order to bring down the Iranian Gov't.

Certain Pro-Israel groups have been pushing the USA to go to war on behalf of Israel against Iran, using the Nuke threat as their excuse, but the real reason is because they know that Iran is supporting Hezbollah and Hamas - 2 groups that stand in the face of Israel's actions and fight off illegal occupation of their lands.

They want the world to take out Iran, and then Hezbollah and Hamas so that they can again have the upper hand in that part of the world to do whatever they wish, without having to answer to anyone for their actions.

Just 2 weeks ago, Israel has been trying to tell the world that Syria/Iran have supplied Hezbollah in Lebanon with Scud Missiles - as an excuse to launch yet another invasion of Lebanon...although this failed miserably with some US officials saying Hezbollah received Scuds...while others, including US Intelligence saying they did not receive any.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?ed...1#axzz0mGhqWF53
"Lebanon: Scud Claims aim to distract from stalled peace talks"

These are the reasons why Israel is hated in that part of the world...when the world pushes Israel to have peace with it's neighbours - she pushes for war in order to postpone any chance of having peace whatsoever.

[Country Mamma]

Do not worry about the big zero invading Iran, he is a Nobel Peace prize winner. He would never do such a thing and make the selection committee look silly. That would be rude.

[Talk Hard]

Do not worry about the big zero invading Iran, he is a Nobel Peace prize winner. He would never do such a thing and make the selection committee look silly. That would be rude.

Remember though, this is the same man who promised peace in the middle east and then jacked up the troop levels in Afghanistan.

He doesn't always do as he says he will and is not always as advertised...

[Peter]

Do not worry about the big zero invading Iran, he is a Nobel Peace prize winner. He would never do such a thing and make the selection committee look silly. That would be rude.

Jerusalem Post: "How to save the Obama Presidency - bomb Iran"
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Ar....aspx?id=167618

[Andrew]

Now the spin. on this bedtime story.

Some 1347 years ago when Mohammed was poisoned he left no named heirs. The split between Shia and Sunni was born.

A land known as Persia where the windmill, calculus, chess, etc were invented ruled as one of the greatest empires. Its philosophers and scientist influenced Greece and Rome. Iran is the nation state that occupies most of the land formerly known as Persia. The large majority of its people adhere to Shia.

Across the way lies the home of some of the largest proven oil reserves. The Saud family in Saudi Arabia is Sunni. 1345+ years of resentment. Iran may very well have a nuclear bomb within the next two years. Other than China large amounts of American dollars are held by the Family of Saud.

Can China play mediator? This story will unfurl in the next few weeks.

[Andrew]

Jerusalem Post: "How to save the Obama Presidency - bomb Iran"
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Ar....aspx?id=167618

Excellent article. President Obama is slowly losing his poster boy image as he struggles to make a mark on the World stage. Hopefully his Hollywood cronies will shame him into doing nothing as he is in too powerful a position. Where is Nancy Reagan? LoL

[Peter]

Excellent article. President Obama is slowly losing his poster boy image as he struggles to make a mark on the World stage. Hopefully his Hollywood cronies will shame him into doing nothing as he is in too powerful a position. Where is Nancy Reagan? LoL

I saw something on Al Jazeera English the other week...showing how the Americans have been saying that the Iranians would be just a few years away from getting a Nuke...ever since the 1980's/early 1990's.

Here is an article describing this further that you might want to read:

http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/iran-19/

"Iran will have the bomb in 5 years (again..)"

Summary: We see another round of news about Iran getting the bomb. Just as they would have the bomb in a few years — ever since 1992. Of course, all these threats to bomb Iran probably only increase their interest in getting the bomb. A perfect example of American geopolitical strategy, ensuring what we’re trying to prevent.

If anyone is in support of a war on Iran because of supposed Nukes then they are plain stupid....cuz i'm still waiting for the WMD's to show up in Iraq...

[Andrew]

Thank you peter. I never read FM . It seems that nations have learned how magicians get their audience to focus attention where they shine the spotlight and thus they do not see the elephant making his way onto the stage.

So maybe it does not really matter if Iran has the bomb but rather what Iran's enemies perceive and believe. I still think that Iran is going after the Saudis and they are slowly surrounding Saudi Arabia with Shia and Shia friendly allies. One needs only to Look at Lebanon and Syria, Yemen, etc. But where there exists turbulence then there is money to be made. Canada and Australia are looking very good for investing in both Oil/coal and uranium.

[Peter]

I don't know if i've posted these videos before..but here they are regardless, it's from Al Jazeera English called "Spin:The Art of Selling War"
It shows many of the US Presidents from the last 60-70 years and how they sold their wars to the American People.

It's hosted by Josh Rushing - a former US Army Spokesman in Iraq.
Part 1:

Youtube Video -> Original Video

Part 2:

Youtube Video -> Original Video

[Peter]

In New York, Ahmadinejad meets with Rabbis
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=12554...ionid=351020101

[Andrew]

Now the story takes a turn for the surrogates:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle7148555.ece

The article from the Times on Line describe how the Saudis who happen to loath Iran (greater Persia) will down their defences to let Isreali jets pass through on their way to eradicate Iran's nuclear ambitions. “The Saudis have given their permission for the Israelis to pass over and they will look the other way,” said a US defence source in the area. “They have already done tests to make sure their own jets aren’t scrambled and no one gets shot down. This has all been done with the agreement of the [US] State Department.”

Sources in Saudi Arabia say it is common knowledge within defence circles in the kingdom that an arrangement is in place if Israel decides to launch the raid. Despite the tension between the two governments, they share a mutual loathing of the regime in Tehran and a common fear of Iran’s nuclear ambitions. “We all know this. We will let them [the Israelis] through and see nothing,” said one.

Now as thew world's attention focuses on this stage what is happening back home in Europe and the USA? I will venture plenty. President Obama will have to do something big to get Americans focus off the Louisiana boonedoggle where he and his friends enrich themselves as 20B$ is spent by BP and countless many more from the US treasury to "Clean up the environmental mess". NO raid actually has to occur only threatened over an extended period of time let's say two years and we are back in re-elect the President mode one the wiser as to how much money was siphoned from the average American into Obama's friends' pockets with little or no scrutiny.

[Andrew]

The story has two facets now.

The first, is the bringing of Israel and Arab nations into an alliance of convenience as both fear Iran with a nuclear capability. Moreso, the Persian gulf Arab governments are concerned the inflammatory speeches of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. They share these concerns with another government in the Middle East -- Israel's.The English language version of Spiegel describes; http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/...,706445,00.html

The second is that war helps citizens fall into line. It's posted over on American Conservative and bears the title "Inflating War: Central banking and militarism are intimately linked". From the linked article.. "As a general rule, the longer a war lasts, the more centrally planned and government-controlled the entire economy becomes. And it remains so to some degree after the war has ended. War is the health of the state, as Randolph Bourne famously declared, and the growth of the state means a decline in liberty and prosperity." the link is here http://www.amconmag.com/article/2010/aug/01/00016/

The question remains. Is Mr Obama willing to go down in history for this regional and potentially world war? He did promise t shut doen G in his first eayr...

[Andrew]

And as this stage continues garner the spotlight, China and India are carefully buying up the other gold metal (U) as they set the stage t become the next united states f Asia. Food for thought.

[lynus55]

We have been witness to war being used to bring an faltering economy back to life. Hitler did it in Germany in the 1930, will President Obama take a chapter out of the history book and declare war in the 21st century?

Simply having a war does not bring economies back to life. What happenned in WW2 was that Germany destroyed England and Frances' manufacturing base, the allies destroyed Germany's and Japans' base. Who was left? The U.S.A. (Canada was a hewer of wood and a drawer of water, but we did pretty good, too). If you have destroyed your competitions' ability to make anything, you will be very successful. For 25 years the americans were on top because they had NO competition. Then, everyone caught up. And Americans started borrowing money to keep the party going.........