Deadbeat Dads and MOMS!!! Options

[NewWorldMan]

My opinion on what I think MY son should do has nothing to do with if I think the government should enforce my opinion at all.

Again I ask for clarification do you think women have a responsibility to the lives they create or not? Because in our society they do NOT.

Or do you believe that all responsibilities lie solely on the one with the penis who has no input into the decision making process to birth or not to birth?

Wow, I am confused ..like totally. I thought this was about deadbeat parents that do not live up to their obligations. Are we going to start talking about the war in Afghanistan next?

Women have as much responsibility to the life they create as the male. I think you may be watching way too much Nancy Grace and talking about the women that try to sell their kids at Walmart.

Let me tell you what I am talking about. Where a man (penis) and the woman (no penis) have a human baby together. Then after years, the man (penis but not as happy as it used to be) leaves and the woman (still no penis) stays back to raise the kids. This is the case I am talking about and not all the horror stories we hear. Let's try to get the so called "normal" people to do the right thing first then we can start to tackle America's issue's.

Wow, I have always heard that women are their own worst enimies and this is a clear example. I am talking about cases where it is black and white and you are stuck on trying to prove some point. You are now arguing the point that women have the upper hand because it comes out of their bodies. I am sure I could find a long list of women that would gladly give up that fun part to the men.

I apologize and you are right about everything. Let's just drop all those kids off with McGuinty and they can all refer to him as grandpa.

[Country Mamma]

Stop whining already.

Just because you refuse to answer a fundamental question about responsibility, a point of inequity of responsibility, does not make my point mistaken or off topic. It just makes it inconvenient for your because it cuts the whole premise of your post. We are not the society that you assert we are. We are not even close.

America's Issues? Really ?

I apologize and you are right about everything. Let's just drop all those kids off with McGuinty and they can all refer to him as grandpa.

Sarcasm has no effect on me, I am the princess of sarcasm...

[NewWorldMan]

Sarcasm has no effect on me, I am the princess of sarcasm...

and apparently facts also seem to have the same effect. I guess being a Princess doesn't come with the ability to have an open mind.

I had to show this to some friends last night to see just what you were trying to say. The best they could do is that your just trying to push your pro choice opinion but for the life of us, we could not figure out what that had to do with Deadbeat parents. The closest we figured is that you feel the male has the right to take the woman to an abortion clinic if he doesn't want to have the baby. Heck, why should he even have to bring her, he should just be able to tell her and she should listen. I guess the fact that he couldn't keep it in his pants or use any protection has zero to do with it but then again, he just might be a Prince that gets to do whatever he wants with no repercussions.

Yes, I will stop whining and I will allow for a witty comeback and let you close this discussion. I just wanted to let you know that I tried to follow what you were talking about yesterday but it took a table of about 5 university grads to try to decipher your message.

Just a shame people can't have discussions without it always ending up in a ****ing match.

[Elliot]

So, if you know too many friends that are being sucked dry by the system ....well, maybe time to pick new friends?

If they are being sucked dry by the system, well that is impossible. The tables are set and there is no "suck the father dry" column. Maybe, just maybe your friends don't want to come to you and say "hey, I haven't paid support in years and just bought a new kick ass jet ski. Want to go to the strip joint and spend some 5 dollar bills?" Maybe your friends are biased in their opinions? That makes as much sense as a convicted criminal complaining about being treated unfairly. The child support is just that, support for the living being you created. There is no secret formula to get more money out of the father but there are lots of formulas for not giving any money to your ex.
Elliott, if you ever want to talk about facts and not just "bar room" talk then by all means. If not, just understand you are passing on biases second hand information as though it was the gospel according to Elliott. I took the time to look up that a person making 80,000 a year has an obligation of paying just over 8000 a year for child support. If that constitutes sucking someone dry, then we do very different math.

Really

[Elliot]

PS - I in no way condone anyone not paying their fair share. ON BOTH SIDES of the equation.

A deadbeat is a person that does not pay their fair share.

Where I differ in opinion is that I feel often it is not FAIR. Could be both ways.

We need to drop the male v female part of this.

A deabeat is a deadbeat ON BOTH SIDES.

That is all I am saying.

[NewWorldMan]

PS - I in no way condone anyone not paying their fair share. ON BOTH SIDES of the equation.

A deadbeat is a person that does not pay their fair share.

Where I differ in opinion is that I feel often it is not FAIR. Could be both ways.

We need to drop the male v female part of this.

A deabeat is a deadbeat ON BOTH SIDES.

That is all I am saying.

Well Elliot, there is only one schedule based on income for men and women (child support and not spousal support). The law applies for both, equally already. If a woman does not pay support, she will have to deal with the exact same repercussions as the male. The male has as many rights as the female does in the courts eyes if they are owed child support. It may seem that men are always paying support but that is because women were usually the ones giving birth to the children and usually ones staying home to raise them.

Yes, now with equality there are women making more than men in some case and in some cases, the men share in maternity leave. As always with most stories that we hear, we never bother to fact check to make sure that what we hear is the truth.

No one is getting screwed, except for the parents that are left behind to raise their children on their own with no support from their ex-spouse. Out of curiosity Elliot, when you say you know way too many friends that are sucked dry by the system, is it an equal split of men and women or all just men? The divorce game for the most part boils down to who can hide the money first and who can afford the most expensive lawyer. It has nothing to do with fair and least of all has nothing to do with what is best for the children. I think that if it takes public humiliation for people to do the right thing, then great. Unlike Country M, not many people these days have family in their lives to make sure they do the right thing.

As far as those posted pictures go, well as mentioned before these are people that the province cannot even locate. It is the same as watching America's Most Wanted and feeling sorry for the felons for having their pictures on TV. People on that site are not on that site for owing a couple of thousand of dollars.

The other thing that I thought would garnish more attention is that the only option after not getting child support is to turn to welfare for money. You would think that as taxpayers, that you could plainly see the wrong in having to pay for your neighbours kids while they are vacationing down south or buying a brand new Lexus.