Deadbeat Dads and MOMS!!! Options

[John Counsell]

Mike sent me this site that includes deadbeat MOMS and Dads!

http://www.wantedposters.com/canada_posters.htm

[- Hammer -]

Maybe this isn?t the most appropriate topic to air these (my) thoughts under?? But, it does mention ?deadbeat moms?.
(I understand that ?deadbeat dads? are a big problem.)

But man ?
I?m going to have to advocate ?Dads? that follow all of the rules? and are still being tortured by ?manipulative moms?.
(I realize that this works the other way, as well? but, to a much lesser extent.)

Does anybody out there know of a ?trying? honest Dad, whom at the very least would like to see his child(ren) at the times that the courts say he?s entitled to ? but is denied such - and no law enforcement agency will choose to intervene?
Well, I do!
He?s my ex-wife?s new husband (a good man). He has a son from a previous marriage.
(I can dish out the whole story at a later date.)

My point is?
I think that ?deadbeat dads? are a recognizable problem. They get some of the negative attention and denials that they deserve. The family and the children involved will grow up to know what they?re all about.
?Manipulative Moms? don?t seem to leave a similarly noticeable footprint (?!?).
For the separated and committed fathers that do all that they can, and are punished for being a male parent; that are denied their parental rights and have next to no advocates; are abiding by all of the rules and still get shafted while their children are taught to resent them for it.
? I?ll shed a few more tears ?

At least with ?deadbeat dads?? we (and the kids) recognize and remember whom to begrudge.
MM's... not so sure? The system seems prejudiced!

[Bob]

Mike sent me this site that includes deadbeat MOMS and Dads!

http://www.wantedposters.com/canada_posters.htm

I think Dads & MOM would've been more accurate?

This post has been edited by Bob: Feb 20 2007, 03:37 PM

[John Counsell]

The fact that there is one "mom" on the sight is indicative that the sight is not adverse to publishing the pictures of them. It is also an somewhat accurate reflection of how many more deadbeat Dads, there are compared to deadbeat Moms.

jc

[Bob]

The fact that there is one "mom" on the sight is indicative that the sight is not adverse to publishing the pictures of them. It is also an somewhat accurate reflection of how many more deadbeat Dads, there are compared to deadbeat Moms.

jc

Agreed

[Darth Wombat]

Indicative, yes. Highly. But I don't think that you can build a case out of the array of them at only one point in time.

[NewWorldMan]

Mike sent me this site that includes deadbeat MOMS and Dads!

http://www.wantedposters.com/canada_posters.htm

Yup, some of us may even work with these Deadbeats ..they walk among us.

[Country Mamma]

Yup these was such a smashing success that they have let their domain laspe...

Anyone want to buy it? Pick up the mantle of ostercization and demoralization? Come on...

[NewWorldMan]

Yup these was such a smashing success that they have let their domain laspe...

Anyone want to buy it? Pick up the mantle of ostercization and demoralization? Come on...

Country Mamma, do I sense some sarcasm? Yup, it lapsed and I am sure if you put your mind to it, you can figure out just why.

[Elliot]

So one 'lapsed' website constitutes a 'valid' indication of what ?

I tend to agree with the writer that suggests there are men being 'abused' by some settlements.

The courts favour the women way too much in these matters.

I know way too many friends that are sucked dry by the sytem.

[Country Mamma]

Country Mamma, do I sense some sarcasm? Yup, it lapsed and I am sure if you put your mind to it, you can figure out just why.

Enlighten me on what you think is the reason.

[Country Mamma]

So one 'lapsed' website constitutes a 'valid' indication of what ?

I tend to agree with the writer that suggests there are men being 'abused' by some settlements.

The courts favour the women way too much in these matters.

I know way too many friends that are sucked dry by the sytem.

Couldn't agree with you more.

I got more but it will have to keep for now.

[NewWorldMan]

So one 'lapsed' website constitutes a 'valid' indication of what ?

I tend to agree with the writer that suggests there are men being 'abused' by some settlements.

The courts favour the women way too much in these matters.

I know way too many friends that are sucked dry by the sytem.

Yes, we always hear of these ""stories" of women milking men dry but that just isn't the case. The guidelines for support are laid out clearly as to what the minimum is. If your talking about spousal support, that is one thing. If your talking about child support, that is something else. Your statement of the court supporting the women in these matters is utterly false or else there would be no problem with enforcing child support as they would have all the help in the world. The only help is whoever has more money to spend on a lawyer. Just ask OJ (well, at least for the murder trial LOL)

I guess that can happen if you happened to have married Mel Gibson. The point stands that women stay at home to raise the kids and are not out their making the money. They give up their time to raise children and give back to society. With no money in the bank, it is very hard for a woman to get her ex to do the right thing. Then when the man goes to leave the relationship, he finds a lawyer which have all sorts of cool tricks to hide all the money he made while living at home. At this point, the woman is at the mercy of the system to do the right thing.

People always assume that the settlements are huge but they are not. They are the bare minimum of responsibilities. All that happens, is that these women are not able to collect from their ex and then turn to the system and go on welfare. So, if you think it's fair for the taxpayer to foot the bill for some guy that can't keep it in his pants or can't do the right thing ...then your in the right province.

I think as usual, people just watch way too much tv and confuse reality with fiction when they make statements like the "I know too many people who were sucked dry". Maybe your hanging out with the wrong people? Maybe your hanging out in the wrong country that says you should be responsible for the lives you create? There is no calculation for child support that is called "suck the man dry".

And, as for my comment about the website being shut down. Once again, who is going to maintain a website for mother's trying to get support for their children?

[Country Mamma]

New world man writes:

Maybe your hanging out in the wrong country that says you should be responsible for the lives you create?

So your anti-abortion are you? Is this a consistent responsibility in your world view or is it selective pickins? inquiring minds want to know......

As an aside I do know of some real mofos who are complete d*ck heads. True enough. I also would make my son's lives a living hell if they did not support children they made while in a relationship.

[NewWorldMan]

New world man writes:

Maybe your hanging out in the wrong country that says you should be responsible for the lives you create?

So your anti-abortion are you? Is this a consistent responsibility in your world view or is it selective pickins? inquiring minds want to know......

As an aside I do know of some real mofos who are complete d*ck heads. True enough. I also would make my son's lives a living hell if they did not support children they made while in a relationship.

LOL ... too funny. Not sure what application you are using that lets you probe my mind and figure out if I a pro life or not. I must be sure to update my anti virus software.

I am not talking about abortion, I am talking about a human (male or female) that creates life with someone and then chooses a redo and leaves the relationship. Most of the time, the mother is the one that is left to raise a human being on her own. We do live in a society that says that we should be responsible for the lives we create.

As I said, I think most of these "stories" we hear about women milking men dry have to do when spousal and child support are involved. There are lawyers in this city that advertise to men that want to leave a marriage and provide a framework of how, where and when to start hiding the money. This goes on while mommy is home raising the children, then she finds herself with no money and having to face her husband in court on her own. Then it is up to the mother to prove he hid the money. The province will not help in this scenario and the province cannot force the father to pay.

Anyone that you see on a Deadbeat website, is someone that they cannot even locate at all. You will not end up on a website if you are short $5 dollars this month. These are people that are gone, into hiding or out of the country. So stop spreading fear that this website will start posting pictures of hard working fathers. That is just propaganda and a outright lie.

And as far as that website going under, well it was a private one. I am sure women are more concerned about feeding their kids than getting their ex's face on a website. The province though, still has a website that is up and running.

2.5 billion dollars is what is owing from fathers in child support but as I said, don't worry because those women just go to welfare for all their troubles. Talk about breaking a cycle of welfare or should I say, creating a welfare dependant society.

http://www.mcss.gov.on.ca/en/goodparentspay/gpp_index.aspx

[NewWorldMan]

I know way too many friends that are sucked dry by the system.

So, if you know too many friends that are being sucked dry by the system ....well, maybe time to pick new friends?

If they are being sucked dry by the system, well that is impossible. The tables are set and there is no "suck the father dry" column. Maybe, just maybe your friends don't want to come to you and say "hey, I haven't paid support in years and just bought a new kick ass jet ski. Want to go to the strip joint and spend some 5 dollar bills?" Maybe your friends are biased in their opinions? That makes as much sense as a convicted criminal complaining about being treated unfairly. The child support is just that, support for the living being you created. There is no secret formula to get more money out of the father but there are lots of formulas for not giving any money to your ex.
Elliott, if you ever want to talk about facts and not just "bar room" talk then by all means. If not, just understand you are passing on biases second hand information as though it was the gospel according to Elliott. I took the time to look up that a person making 80,000 a year has an obligation of paying just over 8000 a year for child support. If that constitutes sucking someone dry, then we do very different math.

[Country Mamma]

I asked a simple question of you, nice side step but will not work for me. Is responsibility for making a life a two way street or not in your books?



NWM writes:

I am not talking about abortion, I am talking about a human (male or female) that creates life with someone and then chooses a redo and leaves the relationship. Most of the time, the mother is the one that is left to raise a human being on her own. We do live in a society that says that we should be responsible for the lives we create.




Actually we are not a society that says we should be responsible for the lives that we create, we as a society are not even close to this philosophy. Try again.

[NewWorldMan]

[quote name='Country Mamma' date='Jul 27 2010, 02:04 PM' post='39852']
I asked a simple question of you, nice side step but will not work for me. Is responsibility for making a life a two way street or not in your books?

NWM writes:

Sorry for missing that. Of course both parents were involved. Usually the way it works unless your using a turkey baster! If the father wants to raise the children, they have just as many rights as the mother does when it comes to child support. I am talking about people that go around creating life and walking away form the obligations as if it was a bad car lease. Unfortunately, women give birth on this planet and we have to start there and not recreate conception. Even though we hear some horrible stories of mothers with their children, most women would give up their lives for their children to avoid any harm coming to them.
This conversation was about deabeat parents, and that is what my comment was about.

Does that answer your question?

[NewWorldMan]

Actually we are not a society that says we should be responsible for the lives that we create, we as a society are not even close to this philosophy. Try again.

I happen to think that the society we live in tries to do right. Lets not through the baby out with the bathwater just because we don't have it down 100%.

As you said, as a mother you would make sure your son did the right thing. That is the society I hope I live in with people doing the right thing.

[Country Mamma]

I happen to think that the society we live in tries to do right. Lets not through the baby out with the bathwater just because we don't have it down 100%.

As you said, as a mother you would make sure your son did the right thing. That is the society I hope I live in with people doing the right thing.

My opinion on what I think MY son should do has nothing to do with if I think the government should enforce my opinion at all.

Again I ask for clarification do you think women have a responsibility to the lives they create or not? Because in our society they do NOT.

Or do you believe that all responsibilities lie solely on the one with the penis who has no input into the decision making process to birth or not to birth?